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Advocacy Group Speaks on Behalf of Mamaroneck Geese

The founder of Westchester4Geese said if the goose slaughter takes place in Mamaroneck, it should be televised.

 

Kiley Blackman, the founder of nonprofit group Westchester4Geese, spoke to Larchmont Patch at Harbor Island yesterday about how other municipalities have handled the problem of goose overpopulation.

Blackman has asked for a meeting with Village of Mamaroneck officials, to discuss alternatives to the goose slaughter that's scheduled for this summer.  She said she became involved with the cause again after the City of Yonkers culled geese last year in an effort to control the population.

So far, Yonkers has been the only Westchester municipality to slaughter geese, said Blackman. Scarsdale reconsidered a plan to cull geese, however, they canceled their plans after public outcry.

Kim February 27, 2013 at 06:06 PM
She is absolutely correct. Slaughtering geese is a waste of life and a waste of money. The public needs to have a "red flag" that goes up whenever officials say they "have to" resort to lethal methods to accomplish any goal. Really? If you dig deeper you will find that the USDA Wildlife Services has a profit-motive for selling these ineffective kill-contracts to towns, as well as a grisly history of animal abuse. They are under investigation by two US Congressmen for their horrendous activities. And if you dig deeper here you will find that Mamaroneck is literally knee-deep in human sewage problems that have nothing to do with geese. Sometimes govt officials would prefer to look like they are solving a problem rather than actually solving a problem. Killing geese will solve nothing. I hope they do not go through with this awful plan, and instead address issues humanely and intelligently.
BG7 February 27, 2013 at 06:19 PM
Televised? 10,000,000,000 (thats 10 billion) animals are killed each year in the US for food (and we all know that we can get a complete diet without eating animals nowadays with the advent of artificial B12 etc). None televised, but these 100 perpetually pooping geese are going to get TV time? Melodramatic hyperbole.
Jab February 27, 2013 at 06:47 PM
The next time a flock of Canada geese brings down another Flight 1549, there may not be a pilot as capable/experienced/lucky as Chesley Sullenberger aboard to save the day.
Kim February 27, 2013 at 07:25 PM
The geese that collided with that flight were migratory geese from Labrador Canada. Killing resident geese in Mamaroneck, who don't go more than 3 miles from where they live, will not address air safety. Killing birds, seagulls or geese, anywhere also does not address air safety. The NTSB investigated the crash of flight 1549 and made many recommendations re: safety to the FAA and none of them involved killing birds. Are people interested in actually being safe in the air, or just feeling safe because somebody rounded up and killed birds. Me? I'd rather BE safe and demand that airlines to adopt the many technological measures available to deal with bird strikes. But nevertheless, the resident geese of Mamaroneck should be able to live there.
Patty A February 27, 2013 at 09:11 PM
As you correctly point out, it would be impossible to get cameras into slaughterhouses that kill more than 6 millions animals daily. However, many of us thought that the one place animals were reasonably "safe" from human tyranny were our public parks. But, even that is not true. But, for sure, it would not be at all difficult to get a couple of TV cameras out to film a massacre of wildlife from a public park. Just once, we should be compelled to take the blinders off.
Patty A February 27, 2013 at 09:14 PM
Planes often collide with birds, but don't usually land in rivers. Did you bother to question the real reasons why this one did? You might be interested to know that particular plane had engine stall problems on the previous flight and almost had to emergency land. Unfortunately, that was only reported on CNN and a couple of other news outlets. Do your research.
BG7 February 27, 2013 at 09:36 PM
Yes and then finish up the show with a vists to the Mamaroneck Ave. A& P and show the dead geese, ducks, squab and chickens already denduded and decaptiated in the cooled section. You know, just to get things in perspective. Just once, we should be compelled to get things in perspective. Here's how to kepp it in perspective - don't use the following words for geese culling: tyranny, disgrace, police-state, nazi etc.
Patty A February 27, 2013 at 09:58 PM
BG7: "Get things in perspective" you say? Well, yes, lets get things in perspective. Do you really think those packages in plastic wrap at the supermarkets represent in any way, the animals who unwillingly gave up their lives for them?
Furrocks February 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM
All of these comments are pure NONSENSE!! Do any of you have children?! Have you tried to walk anywhere at the harbor?? Have you gone on the beach?? IT'S DISGUSTING!!!!! There are goose feces all over the place!!! The village has tried several HUMANE ways to get rid of the geese population to no avail.. Why don't you ANIMAL ACTIVISTS go down there with a shovel and clean all the feces up if your SO CONCERNED for their "right to life"
LRod February 28, 2013 at 03:49 AM
I HAVE children who adore the wildlife animals in this area. Shall we teach our children to kill things that are considered to be "annoying?" If your so familiar with Mamaroneck Harbor, I would think you know it's pretty filthy with garbage, condems and human feces in the water too? No? There are other ways to treat this situation without killing innocent animals. We have taken up land, and forests and contribute plenty of pollution ourselves. Shall we be killed to? Idiot.
LRod February 28, 2013 at 03:50 AM
I HAVE children who adore the wildlife animals in this area. Shall we teach our children to kill things that are considered to be "annoying?" If your so familiar with Mamaroneck Harbor, I would think you know it's pretty filthy with garbage, condems and human feces in the water too? No? There are other ways to treat this situation without killing innocent animals. We have taken up land, and forests and contribute plenty of pollution ourselves. Shall we be killed to? Idiot
Kim February 28, 2013 at 04:10 AM
My experiences with the beach are somewhat different from yours. I have personally sifted multitudes of cigarette butts out of the sand and fished out condoms, tampons, straws, juice boxes, hair clips, combs, not to mention tiny ziploc baggies from drug users. That is when the beach isn't closed from the multitude of sewage that comes from boats, aging sewer pipes, and illicit sewage hookups. Mamaroneck now has a rake-o-vac for goose poop, and should start using it. But what about all that other trash and bacteria?
Lucia February 28, 2013 at 04:25 AM
The killing of geese is a barbaric medieval degrading action!
Patty A February 28, 2013 at 09:31 AM
@ Furrocks: Geese primarily eat grass. Their dropping are recycled grass and actually can serve as fertilizer. If grass and fertilizer bother you so much, then it is recommended to stay out of parks.
Gerry Holbrook February 28, 2013 at 01:02 PM
Geese, deer, squirrels and other foraging "wildlife" are not wild at all, they have adapted to a comfortable life around humans. Because they are considered "cute" their numbers have increased to an unnatural level. They are a pest, spreading disease and causing millions of dollars of property damage each year. Surely we can find a humane way of controlling their population?
Kim February 28, 2013 at 01:22 PM
Gerry H: As people increase in numbers and take over more space on this planet, many species adapt to this, rather than dying off. This adaptation is natural. Many types of birds, crows and sparrows in particular, have a reciprocal relationship with people. It is not because they are "cute" that we encourage a way to peacefully co-exist. Rather, it is because it is OUR part of the equation to learn how to co-exist. There is evidence that suggests that goose populations will self-regulate. But, the pressing issue becomes addressing human concerns about poop, which has a practical solution. If population numbers still concern people, there are birth control measures that communities can explore. These round-ups are just senseless. The conversation over what defines an invasive species, and what is an un-natural number, however, is rather ironic considering we are 7.5 billion and counting and are responsible for sending scores of species into permanent extinction every day....it really becomes our responsibility to learn how to live with these adaptable, resilient species.
Patty A February 28, 2013 at 08:56 PM
Kim says it all. Animal extinction is occurring on this planet at three times the normal rate. Our grandchildren will likely only know elephants, tigers, rhinos, polar bears and other familiar species only in zoos or books. But, for those animals (like geese) who lean to adapt to man's environment and predations, we seek to wipe them out too. There is no predator species on the planet responsible for more destruction and extinctions than humans. For sure, if USDA decends upon Mamaroneck for a goose roundup, they will not leave even one goose alive. (Ask other communities.) And don't think for a minute other birds -- particularly waterfowl won't notice. Birds are not stupid. Geese often act as sentries to other waterfowl. When the geese are rounded up, any ducks, swans, egrets, cormorants and others in the area will take off. Not a legacy of which to be proud.
Laura Brown February 28, 2013 at 09:22 PM
I couldn't agree with you more! It is profit motivated everywhere it happens and we are the problem, not geese. We shout louder and they are defenseless and easy to pick on. Period. Funny thing in Scotia, every time we proved their reasons meritless the reasons changed. Ridiculous. They look for reasons because they get paid to kill. I wish people would wake up and stop believing everything they are told because some yahoo has a patch on his arm.
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Something tells me you don't give a rat's about the 10 billion food animals or the 100 geese. Good Lord, I often see 100 geese in one of our LITTLE parks and have never in my life heard people in my city publicly whine about our hundreds of permanent resident canada geese.
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:32 AM
A few facts about Flight 1549: It was an Airbus A320. The FAA had issued warnings in 2004 that the Airbus A320 was prone to double engine failure. “An emergency safety directive has been issued to airlines using twin-engine Airbus A320s after both engines on one stalled over the Mediterranean, just 18 days after an Air New Zealand A320 crashed killing all seven on board………. American authorities warned such stalling problems could prevent continued safe flight or landing.” http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/246674/ Airbus A320 crashes killed about 645 people in 10 years.......NONE of those crashes was related to a Canada goose or any other wildlife. Fatal and significant airbus A320 incidents: http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a320.htm
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:32 AM
Finally, the engines of Flight 1549 did not meet the current engine standards for bird strikes...and you have to wonder if they had would this plane have been so disabled it couldn't make it back to land safely at an airport. "In 1996, the engines that would later be used on U.S. Airways Flight 1549 were certificated for bird ingestion according to these standards. In 2007, the FAA adopted new regulations regarding bird strikes, and the new rules increased the size of the birds used in the core tests to 5½ pounds. However, engines certificated prior to 2007 were not obliged to meet the new requirements." NASA: SystemFailureCaseStudyFile http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CFAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnsc.nasa.gov%2FSFCS%2FSystemFailureCaseStudyFile%2FDownload%2F181%2F&ei=9q3YT5b7L8ycmQWH7qGbAw&usg=AFQjCNF7rGvJ4BQcaCxiEMZQqC0BASg4Nw&sig2=yIoWBw9Q7R221jhly0gamQ
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:36 AM
Do you realize that since the 1960's over 700 people have died in plane crashes at JFK Airport alone...one NY airport...and not one of those crashes was related to a Canada goose or any other bird, but your big flying concern is a BIRD??? That's insanity.
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:40 AM
I live in Vancouver, BC and we have over 600 permanent resident Canada geese in our city which isn't that large by land mass. We have NEVER had a public problem with our geese. They're beautiful, they're fun, they're adorable in the spring with their families. They are very admirable birds. Stay home if nature bothers you. I will add Vancouver has been recognized as one of the most liveable cities in the world, the most 'reputable' and is now also the most expensive city to live in in North America....and we have lots of geese. You don't have a goose problem...you have an entitled anti nature anti life human problem.
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:53 AM
There is a humane way and many communities coexist peacefully with geese. My city addles eggs and has done it for years; although not even religiously as last year we had tons of goslings. We have lots of permanent resident geese and they have never been a problem. Central BC, an area the size of NJ, also uses egg addling. Communities have geese, they know they have babies...they should do the math. NEWS RELEASE : Egg addling controls Canada goose population Last year, field crews located and addled 1308 eggs from 274 nests between Vernon and Osoyoos,” said Project Coordinator Kate Hagmeier. http://www.okanagangooseplan.com/?p=195
Onyx Embridge March 01, 2013 at 12:58 AM
And I would add....there is a lot more to it than geese simply adapting to humans. The real reason you have many geese today is because they were once almost extinct so government wildlife agencies deliberately propagated and released them; also back in the day market hunters were forced to release their live decoys. You can trace the 'goose problem' right back to deliberate efforts by humans. “The Giant Canada Goose, used to breed in southern Canada and the northern United States but disappeared from most of its range by the late 1800s. Early settlers may have gathered Giant Canada Goose eggs and rounded up and slaughtered many of the geese during the flightless moulting period. Beginning in the early 1900s, Canada Geese FROM CAPTIVE BREEDING FLOCKS WERE REINTRODUCED into the southern parts of their former range. This practice continued through much of the 20th century, and Canada Geese were eventually restored in Pennsylvania, New York, Ontario, and west to southern Alberta. DURING THIS PERIOD, GEESE WERE ALSO INTRODUCED TO AREAS WHERE THEY MAY NOT HAVE BRED BEFORE. The story of the Canada Goose in the last hundred years highlights the successes and dilemmas of North American waterfowl management. Although challenges lie ahead, THE CANADA GOOSE IS ONE OF THE GREAT SUCCESS STORIES OF WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT TODAY”. http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?id=35
Kim March 01, 2013 at 02:58 AM
Thank you Onyx Embridge for bringing perspective to this issue. There are plenty of cities and towns who coexist with geese. Many people enjoy them. All of our complaining and talk of killing must make us look pretty bad to places like Vancouver who wonder what on earth the fuss is about.
Kim March 01, 2013 at 01:52 PM
As Patty A correctly points out, there will be an eerie silence among waterfowl when the geese are killed. That is precisely why wildlife advocates are so passionately against killing. We humans have a curious habit of being dangerously short-sighted when it comes to nature. We think that a quick, violent solution will "fix" an inconvenience, but what it does it cause more problems in the short and long-term.We can't predict which other species will disappear after a roundup, nor can we predict what will fill the vacuum left by the geese, be it more geese or something else that we label as "invasive" or "troublesome." Peaceful co-existence through education and creative problem-solving is the ONLY way. Like it or not, Canada geese are here to stay. WE cultivated them, on purpose, because hunters really loved to shoot them. WE repopulated them after they were hunted into oblivion. And WE attract them by our lifestyle which enjoys golf, soccer, football, and manicured lawns. How illogical and unethical to now try to exterminate them.

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